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Posted by Hazel Dream on 9:08 AM
Shit!In this Brahmanical society the so called upper castes always want the so called Low caste to remain in abject poverty.After all,who would do the human scavenging & other dirty work of brahmins,if the OBCs,SCs& STs make use of quota & become educated???
Dear Warning
Society is what you make of it .. You shall not justify any sin by our medieval ignorant past. every human shall have equal opportunity if not equality irrespective of his caste , creed and religion . I strongly feel that affirmative action or reservation is justified for SCs and STs but I would like to question this concept of OBCs . they have been intentionally been bought up because of their large numbers in Indian Democracy to get vote .
A pandey right!so you talk like all your dastardly brahmin whore slaves.
I can understand you better .
Look at the statistics(of course,brahmins have always manipulated History to suit their own needs)-OBCs,SCs,STs make up more than 50% of the total population.So,why shoudnt there be a fixed % of seats for the depressed class-they are more in number,they deserve it.Its the so called upper caste which is a minority.
People are the asset of society and the society develops and flourishes by internal competition among its individual . with our will to outsmart other individual and quest for rewards People have contributed to develop our modern society . look at the human history and you will realize that from Rome to Modern USA its the merit of few individual who have made us what we are . if the demography is a criteria to reward individual then you better look at Former USSR and China and May be yourself .
I will copy paste the exact stats from a reliable source-you can go & check it.
No need to show stats ,Ignorance always outnumber the enlightened
Keeping the so called low castes under subjugation-right???
No right of equal opportunity , and yes I firmly believe SCs and STs shall get reservation.
Who is a pimp?Arjun singh?Mandal Commission?
Anyone who sells soul of my mother land for his own selfish momentary personal benefit
WARNING-i can sue you and take you to court by booking you under the Atrocities to SC,ST,OBC prevention Act,1989 if you dont delete this cowardly post.It will be used as evidence against you.

Go ahead .

You are a coward with a mob mentality-you like to show your superiority by jumping onto an issue which is under controversy.
Read your comment and see who is coward with a Mob mentality . its you who is anonymous . I have given my email and name .

Do you have a standing of your own in society to call a minister a Pig?Who are you?a VIP?
Yes as an Individual who chooses these Minister I have all the right . and My dear if you have read George Orwell’s Animal Farm you will understand what is a PIG
You wont even have the courage to put up my comment on this blog!And if you want to have a talk with me personally,i am ready.I dont need to hide like you and remain Anonymous-Just give me a sign & i will come out to deal with wimps like you.
Dear anonymous lets talk here I am ready for it .

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Warning says:

"You shall not justify any sin by our medieval ignorant past"

Who is talking of past here?Look around u-caste discrimination occurs everywhere-even the SC,STs who are at high positions in Railways,Gov. jobs still get reminded of their origin& face humiliation all their lives. At the reputed Delhi college of engineering(DCE)-even now,the SC,STs have to fill in their caste for four yrs in college when they appear for internal exams-professors get biased & award less marks-at the end of final yr when big companies come for campus recruitment-again the SC,STs have to fill their caste & Wipro,TCS don’t even bother to take their interview.
At King George medical college(best in UP)-For the past 40 yrs or so-every SC,ST is made to FAIL in their final yr exam & made to lose a year-as revenge by Gen. candidate professors.
At IITs-many SC,STs are forced to take a year off as preparatory classes- before they can join mainstream & even after wasting a yr,they may be denied access to the full time course in IIT.
At IISC Bangalore-they claim to give a rebate to the application form & yet when SC,STs buy forms-they have to shell out the usual Rs600 instead of the Rs 300-How many can afford such luxury?
Apparently so-called higher castes grumble on paying more for application forms but in reality-how many institutes let SC,STs avail benefits?
In West Bengal-they have manipulated the rules & at premier engineering colleges,medical colleges etc-they have made a peculiar ruling which says that whatever marks a Gen candidate has rcvd-an SC.ST would not be taken in if the gap between the marks of gen candidates & them is more than 10 marks.
Earlier,the SC,STs were not allowed to enter temples & now they are not allowed to enter premier institutes.
Quotas exist but general candidates know how to manipulate rules & disallow them.
Constitution says,if an SC,ST makes use of his certificate & yet gets marks equivalent to a gen .candidate-the SC/ST should be treated as a Gen. candidate & his rank shud slide up & other SC/STs shud be made to fill in that seat-Except the IAS exams-no one else follows the rules.
I have somany egs.that u wil not be able to finish reading it in this lifetime!

And when u talk of every caste with equal opportunity-
Tell me,how many intercaste marriages between SC,ST,OBC has taken place with Brahmins & so called self proclaimed higher castes?Do the so called higher caste treat other equally.Its all a show
I promise to disclose my identity soon-More coming up...

Warning says:

"you will realize that from Rome to Modern USA its the merit of few individual who have made us what we are "
Talking of USA-Take a look at the application forms of Ivy league institutes like Princeton,Wharton Business school etc-they have reservations for the SOCIALLY backward communities like the Hispanic Americans & the Blacks-We still look upto USA as the best place of study &work-has their standard deteriorated because of the reservation they have for a certain group of ppl ?They are still as successful as ever.Does quota really hamper in a country like India where there's only 15% reservation for SCs who are huge in population or the STs who get a raw deal by a 7% reservation which is hardly able to represent their whole population.
While if u subtract the 15+7%,u get 78% seats for gen. candidates-whose population is Not that large(an illusion to think,India is made up of Gen. candidates)-so in a way,gen candidates are getting a good deal-Look at it this way-78% seats remain untouched for Gen. candidates!
Ofcourse-Gen. candidates have the power of media behind them so they can come up with skewed stats & prove that Gen candidate popln is maximum & they require 100% seats all for themselves.
Even today-media does not have a single Dalit reporter so the SC.ST.OBCs appear voiceless.
How many newspapers,mags report in Favour of Quotas?Fact is,even if the depressed class writes in Editorials-their write-ups get slashed & are reduced from growling tigers to mewing cats.

Warning says:

Mr rajendra pandey-don’t you dare take me lightly-from your name & location I can easily trace your workplace and it wouldn’t be long before you would get a court summon.
But here,I see that you are ready for a one to one with me.So i restrain myself.
Lets see how our talks progress and who knows, you may realize that there were somany things u didn’t know about SC,ST,OBCs as u lived in a glass palace & saw the world through rose tinted glasses.
A general candidate can never feel the stigma that the depressed class has had to carry for the past two hundred yrs or so.
From Living outside the walled city,ostracized & shunned by all,tying a broom on one's backside to keep wiping away the dalit footprints,to not being able to draw water from the same community well to not being allowed to spit on the roads travelled by self proclaimed upper castes-there have been somany instances that i dont know whether i shud talk of the depressed class whose eyes get gouged out by so called upper castes if their cattle roams into such fields accidentaly or to tell u abt the gangrape of dalitwomen or the dalit farmer-Bant Singh whose limbs were chopped off.
Interestingly,there have been no quota in the sector of Army & Judicial services.
The gen. candidates have been clever to foresee the future beforehand-they knew that if the depressed class entered the Army & Law-it wudnt be long before there wud be an Uprising.(The ruling class remembers how things can go wrong if the exploited masses unite,capture army-coz the Russian & French Revolution acts as a reminder).
Clever moves!

Warning says:

'Do you have a standing of your own in society to call a minister a Pig?Who are you?a VIP?"
"Yes as an Individual who chooses these Minister I have all the right"

You have the basic fundamental right to expression & speech but do not abuse your right.
Just like everyone has the right to practice one’s own religion, but not have a right to enforce it on someone else similarly restrain yourself from putting up such strong views.
Why not have a healthy discussion?
Your language was offensive in the blgpost so u got a harsh reply from me.
Again,now your tone is mellowed down in the latest post so u are getting a similar unpassioned & soft tone in which i have set my reply.

"if you have read George Orwell’s Animal Farm you will understand what is a PIG"
.I had read it many yrs back.The pig was the one who tried to manipulate society etc etc and portrayed the clash betn. Two legged animals & four legged ones but no, Arjun Singh does not fit into such a category.


Discrimination , based on ignorance of Immature Individuals is different from organized twisted law which discriminate against a section of society based on his caste , creed or race. We all have to face biased behavior in our life,and your argument sounds like an excuse for the failure and incompetence. There are many SCs STs and OBCs in Wipro and TCS .

At King George medical college(best in UP)-For the past 40 yrs or so-every SC,ST is made to FAIL in their final yr exam & made to lose a year-as revenge by Gen. candidate professors.
At IITs-many SC,STs are forced to take a year off as preparatory classes- before they can join mainstream & even after wasting a yr,they may be denied access to the full time course in IIT.

Excuse for failures and lack of hardwrok.

At IISC Bangalore-they claim to give a rebate to the application form & yet when SC,STs buy forms-they have to shell out the usual Rs600 instead of the Rs 300-How many can afford such luxury?
Apparently so-called higher castes grumble on paying more for application forms but in reality-how many institutes let SC,STs avail benefits?

I think you are confused between economic Problems and social affirmative action.

In West Bengal-they have manipulated the rules & at premier engineering colleges,medical colleges etc-they have made a peculiar ruling which says that whatever marks a Gen candidate has rcvd-an SC.ST would not be taken in if the gap between the marks of gen candidates & them is more than 10 marks.

Very fair rule .

Earlier,the SC,STs were not allowed to enter temples & now they are not allowed to enter premier institutes.
I deplore the old sick mentality and I don’t agree with your lie , there are many SCs and STs in all the Premier institutes.

Quotas exist but general candidates know how to manipulate rules & disallow them.

If I agree to this lie of yours then my dear girl what’s the use of increasing the quota if they cant justify the purpose . They will still manipulate rules.


And when u talk of every caste with equal opportunity-
Tell me,how many intercaste marriages between SC,ST,OBC has taken place with Brahmins & so called self proclaimed higher castes?Do the so called higher caste treat other equally.Its all a show

There are Many intercaste marriages my dear. our ignorant medival past is past lets makes a new world full of equal opportunity for every one and as I said I am not against reservation of SCs and STs .

I promise to disclose my identity soon-More coming up...

I know you dear R


Mr rajendra pandey-don’t you dare take me lightly-from your name & location I can easily trace your workplace and it wouldn’t be long before you would get a court summon.
Drink some Horlicks dear .

Lets see how our talks progress and who knows, you may realize that there were somany things u didn’t know about SC,ST,OBCs as u lived in a glass palace & saw the world through rose tinted glasses.

Dear R I have not lived in Glass Palace . I have lived my life in open sky , beyond the horizon which you cant see with your vindictive eyes.

A general candidate can never feel the stigma that the depressed class has had to carry for the past two hundred yrs or so.
From Living outside the walled city,ostracized & shunned by all,tying a broom on one's backside to keep wiping away the dalit footprints,to not being able to draw water from the same community well to not being allowed to spit on the roads travelled by self proclaimed upper castes-there have been somany instances that i dont know whether i shud talk of the depressed class whose eyes get gouged out by so called upper castes if their cattle roams into such fields accidentaly or to tell u abt the gangrape of dalitwomen or the dalit farmer-Bant Singh whose limbs were chopped off.

Every One has faced the brutality of ignorance and blind faith in medieval times . Hindus have faced the same from Muslim invaders and rulers , Jews have faced from Christians and Muslims shall we start living those past and fight ? or shall we work hard to improve this world .I agree the stigma for a SC candidate and that’s why I favour the reservation for them but not for OBCs . let me tell you my dear R that it was and it is OBCs which have exploited and discriminated SCs more then upper caste.

Interestingly,there have been no quota in the sector of Army & Judicial services.
The gen. candidates have been clever to foresee the future beforehand-they knew that if the depressed class entered the Army & Law-it wudnt be long before there wud be an Uprising.(The ruling class remembers how things can go wrong if the exploited masses unite,capture army-coz the Russian & French Revolution acts as a reminder).
Clever moves!

My dear R Gen candidate means, any candidate who works hard irrespective of his caste . for your kind information my dear there are millions of depressed class in army and the Indian Law was written by Baba Bhimrao Ambedkar .


When you are blind with Ignorance you cant see the logic. Pig is a Pig and I don’t see any reason why you have problems in that . The pig was the one who tried to manipulate society and portrayed the clash between the Two legged animals & four legged ones and Mr Arjun singh fits very well in that description

warning says:

Thats BRAHMIN SPEAK from ur side and nothing else-i will get back to u,once i have time.
Ur twisted contorted mind cannot think straight & i feel sorry that u are not open to ideas.
Rigidity never pays.
BTW,i was part of the Pro quota rally and realized a lot of things-wud let u know.
Though i think its a waste of energy to talk to a person who is too obsessed abt thinking that he is an intellect of a very high quality.
As,far as Law & Judiciary are concerned-there are NO Quotas there.Will attend another rally next month demanding for quota in Law & Judiciary as well.
And dont drag Dr.B.R.Ambedkar & make statements to suit ur purpose-will copy paste portions of the Constitution if u continue ur baseless rambling abt Articles of Constitution that u are not aware of.


Thats BRAHMIN SPEAK from ur side and nothing else-i will get back to u,once i have time.

Prejudice

Ur twisted contorted mind cannot think straight & i feel sorry that u are not open to ideas.
Rigidity never pays.
Right , wish you accept this for yourself .

BTW,i was part of the Pro quota rally and realized a lot of things-wud let u know.
So you were the Part of Mob

Though i think its a waste of energy to talk to a person who is too obsessed abt thinking that he is an intellect of a very high quality.

My Dear R, I never said or Claimed that ..and its advisable to not to get personal in any discussion.

As,far as Law & Judiciary are concerned-there are NO Quotas there.Will attend another rally next month demanding for quota in Law & Judiciary as well.

Rights are linked with Duties and responsibilities . you shall prove yourself by Hard work and you will not require quotas .

And dont drag Dr.B.R.Ambedkar & make statements to suit ur purpose-will copy paste portions of the Constitution if u continue ur baseless rambling abt Articles of Constitution that u are not aware of.
My Dear I never made any statement nor did I mention any article of constitution. I mentioned the truth that the Indian Constitution was written by One SCs ( who reached that height by virtue of his hard work and not quota)

warning says:

"it wouldn’t be long before you would get a court summon"
Drink some Horlicks dear .
Haha!look who’s talking,one who doesn’t have the balls to give strong arguments!

" it is OBCs which have exploited and discriminated SCs more then upper caste"
This is the divide & rule policy that Brahmins have always followed-as they have provoked the OBCs against SC/STs on 1 hand & played a dirty game on SC/STs against OBCs to make these weaker classes fight amongst themselves-check out the villages of Orissa,will give u specific names of such villages,if u want



its advisable to not to get personal in any discussion.
My views are restricted to caste issues-& u dare make fun of me & tell me to drink Horlicks-dun worry,if I make up my mind-the constitution has given me enuf power to serve u a legal notice,i hope u know that I wud not even require to prove anything against u,only my word is required to get u in trouble & even if u beg….u shall not be spared-but I shall not let u off so easily.Just wait & watch.
I have already downloaded this blog page of urs & got it duly attested by the additional director general of police(incidentally an OBC) so think abt it. I never make false claims



"you shall prove yourself by Hard work and you will not require quotas"
We demand compensation for more than 200 yrs of suppression.Its payback time.
Moreover,for the past 5000yrs, it’s the gen candidates who have ruled the roost,how much has our country progressed since then,after all it was full of "meritorious" ppl till the Quota came in?

57yrs of quota has done wonders to SC/STs-from being the most wretched…few of them have been lucky enuf to reach better positions-few more solid yrs of quota & SC/ST/OBCs wud be at par wid Gen.candidates.
And that it is exactly what the so called upper caste does not want-they are too used to having ppl under their feet to do their dirty scavenging job & don’t want to get overthrown from enjoying the post of being upper castes.
Moreover,what the media portrays is all screwed up data-Media is owned & run by so called upper castes who are misusing their powers to misguide the common public-they are spreading false rumors abt a certain AIIMS student(a Srivastava) having died from anti quota protests(my uncle is a doc at AIIMS-he confirmed that it’s a cheap ploy being used by gen candidate docs to gain sympathy).
Media has hardly covered the other side of the story & editors have ripped apart Letters to editors written by SC/ST/OBCs & turned them Voiceless



If u think admitting OBCs/SC/STs wud reduce merit-then what do u have to say abt the Post grad admission test results of AIIMS where “internal” AIIMS students,who have done their Under grads from AIIMS-are accepted in the next course inspite of earning 9% or 14% marks while SC/STs who’ve scored more,are not selected-( Source-TIMES OF INDIA-23May,06)
So, is justice being done to MERIT??
Gen candidates scream for MERIT but look at AIIMS



"I mentioned the truth that the Indian Constitution was written by One SCs ( who reached that height by virtue of his hard work and not quota"

Let me get ur fundamentals right,Dr.B.R.Ambedkar had demanded for a separate electorate for SC/STs in the voting system where the SC/STs wanted power to select their own candidates whom they wanted in Lok Sabha,Rajya Sabha but the non SC/ST/OBCs were too clever-they realized if DR.B.R.Ambedkar was allowed to draft such a rule in Constitution-next day,SC/STs wud have a powerful hold in politics & wud easily form the ruling government at the centre. So instead,DR.BR.Ambedkar had to settle for quota which was much less effective for upliftment of SC/STs-Today,had SC/STs been given a separate electorate-they wudnt have required quota


Heres a question to u-The sports arena in India has never had any quota-so all the “meritorious” youngsters have had the opportunity to perform.Then why has our performance in Olympics & Common wealth games been so poor?Dont give me the eg. Of those handful of medals that we have won.
Haha! Leander Paes(a Christian convert from SC Community-Also a descendant of Madhusudan-the poet)is an SC-he won an Olympic medal.
Budhia(SC) played for Indian cricket team few yrs back but somehow on strange ‘health” pretexts-he was eliminated from playing further-Non SC/Sts know how to eliminate the depressed class.
Kambli,another SC was an excellent cricketer as well-so dont say depressed classes lack merit.

India managed to somehow win the Indo-pak war during 1971 when Bangladesh recvd independence under the minister of defense-Jagjivan Ram and he was an OBC.
WE DEMAND PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION-the population of SC/ST/OBC is somuch that the percentage of Quota is justified.

Next on our agenda-Quota in Judiciary & Army. Continue your melodrama of writing threat letters of committing suicide to President-but the political parties know where the number is....get to taste what democracy is.
Political parties have always gone for what the masses what & unlike what da media portrays-the General candidates in reality are just handful in population-the real strength in numbers is SC/ST/OBC.
How long can u suppress?
Time SC/ST/OBCs took over.

warning says:

PS-In an earlier reply,where u cud not defend urself & fell flat on ur face-to salvage ur dignity,u branded me as a liar by saying-"If I agree to this lie of yours"
By now u must have known that I DO NOT LIE, i can provide newspaper cuttings & furnish u with proof for every bit of data coz i have been keeping a file of records of written data that can be used in the future for the Big Fight.
I never start a war without being prepared.
If i had to Lie, i cud have come up wid wonderful & exaggerated examples-but i stuck to the basic details & did not glamourize nor melodramatize my cause like the medicos & instead i wanna fight in a fair manner-Liars are cowards & we all know who Lies all the time.

Warning says:

Gen candidates talk of merit being lost out if quota is increased-but what abt all those yrs of Nepotisim which the birlas,mittals etc have been following in the coporate world where companies are "inherited" by their next generation,rather than an eligible "meritorious" person getting that job??
Mr.Rahul Bajaj who has expressed a wish to start a movement against reservations, is himself said to be “grooming” his SON to take over from him as CEO

Also,why do the gen candidates not feel robbed of their engineering,medical seats where a chink of seats are reserved as "NRI quota" & "Management quota"-arent we losing out on merit?after all these NRI students are no good except being wealthy & buying seats for themselves.

Point is-words like "creamy layer" & "merit" are being coined by gen candidates to create an illusion & draw wool over the eyes of common public.

EG->Narendra Gajbiye..he has done his PG from NITIE.which is the most highly reputed colge fr MBA..aftr completng his PG he got placd in one company in calcuta..but aftr 3 mnths he has been told to leave the company bcos he blongs to SC.
2)seniormost executive director of the RBI, R.B. Barman, who was first promoted as deputy governor last November and then demoted to his previous rank a few weeks later.He's an SC


First Lets make it clear that “Affirmative Actions is not what reservation in India is
The main emphasis in the case of Affirmative Action in the USA was - if such actions could help overcome the effects of past discrimination by taking into account race and national origin which in case of India Fits to Schedule caste and Schedule tribe .

Affirmative Action is all about past discrimination limiting current participation and not about past inequities limiting current participation

It is also important to note that there is no statutory obligation on Employers or Educational Institutions to adopt Affirmative Action and the laws were framed in such a way that in effect one was permitted to take such actions as Voluntary Measures.

Unlike the case of Indian Reservations which are primarily premised on "entitlement" the philosophy in the case of Affirmative Action in the USA is not one of entitlement but one where it recognizes these actions to be a deviation from the norm.

The American courts have required proof of Remedial Justification i.e. why is this remedy required and that proof was to be made on the basis of the fact that an imbalance or under-representation exists, and that exists because of previous conditions of discrimination that limit current participation, and that these actions have not adversely affected the non-minority groups.

Affirmative Action in the USA the Courts require you to show first that there is an imbalance, second to prove that the imbalance exists because past discrimination has led to factors that limit current participation and thirdly and more importantly the actions taken are not adversely affecting the others


In fact if past inequities were to be the basis for current remedial actions the society would be locked in a never-ending cycle for eternity as basic economics teaches us that societal inequities will always be there for a variety of factors even if all identity based discrimination has been eliminated.

Providing quotas proportional to share of population is no different from what the USSR AND CHINA attempted. The Nonsense State where Society becomes and Dead entity .
These proposals will create a State which is proactively working to preserve divisive identities and then to ensure those identities are present everywhere proportionately rather than create a State that promotes FREEDOM and MAXIMIZES CHOICE through equal access to opportunities.

warning says:

Hazel->
It took u more than 20 days to come up wid a reply.
Sadly,none of ur arguments answer the relevant questions i raised.
Ur whole write up smells of copy pasted stuff googled out of internet.
Try using ur own logic & words than being a parrot...& by using heavy words like "remedial justification" etc all u are doing is-trying to impress the reader wid ur pseudo intellect.
Try replying blow-by-blow to ques raised by me than go round-n-round in circles beating abt the bush.
Ur objective was to reply back,but its hollow shallow stuff that u have always written abt coz ur words always lack conviction...
PS-check out Switzerland which provides 100% quota in many institutes as well as Japan which too encourages ppl to come at par.
PS-Yes USA does look at the imbalance-no denying that but SC/STs are the weaker section of society & india has stark imbalance

warning says:

When the Youth for Equality(hypocrates who dont blv in equality)say that quotas shud be removed coz it was the Past when SC/STs/OBCs were treated like sub-humans.
They say-"why shud we pay the price for what our anscestors did to the depressed classes".
Very easily,the gen candidates want to wash their hands off the dirty past.
But why do these same ppl drag in the PAST of the Babri masjid demolition & create communal tension...i can give some many egs. frm the indian history where the PAST was always dragged in & ppl were made to lose lives.
Atleast,no one's losing their lives due to quota implementation.
Here's a small eg of our very own Advanij who got into trouble wid RSS after his remarks abt Jinnah...RSS immediately dragged in the PAST & quoted old incidents like-"Have you forgotten everything that Jinnah did? Yesterday one of our leaders told us that how Jinnah remained unmoved even after 90,000 Hindu women were raped on the eastern borders. Vulgar remarks were scribbled on our women's bodies. Have you forgotten all these injustices?"

warning says:

Haha!look at u,a lesser mortal calling powerful countries like USSR & China as nonsense states.
U overlook the fact that these are socialist countries...dont tell me,that i shall have to discuss socialism & capitalism & explain that u are pointing at diff angle altogether.
I shall end this topic here as i want to concentrate ONLY abt reservations!


Dear You are very personal and bitter. this discussion is about reservation. Kindly dont use to show your malice.
Yes USSR and CHINA are nonsense states because one cease to exist due to its policies and other is a autocratic state where Individuals dont exists.
Babri Masjid Issue is about asking what has been taken from you . I think you are confused

warning says:

Hazel->Looks like the real intellectual talk confuses u...i was using the babri masjid issue to talk abt the PAST which the fanatic hindus are not ready 2 forget but they r such double faced ppl that they want to forget the PAST where they(the so called 'upper' caste had been treating the poor,helpless SC.ST.OBCs with such contempt).
Your personal remarks abt USSR & China wud not turn such mighty nations into wimps!
Yes,ur right...1 needs to only stick to the debate of reservation than turn personal.
We shall both have to make sure we do that.
What about the real points that i raised?why did those get clouded by a USSR-China topic?

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